Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd

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To say the least.

1) It's been less than a year and a free mothership from what was admittedly a compromised event remains in game.
2) "We've been caught so the specific people caught will have those specific characters removed, but everything else is fine and don't worry we're policing ourselves absolutely correctly. Devs participating at the highest levels of PvP alliances is fine and dandy and obviously no inappropriate advantage is gained therein, no matter how tangentially."

This is a whitewash of Nixonian proportions, and an insult to the general player base. I shudder to think how many people I have encouraged to play this great game will chose to not do so when they realize the playing field is anything but level.

I'm going to eat a corp fine to post this, and I don't care, because this is simply unacceptable.

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Originally by: Borgholio

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Nobody really cares about an event that took place months ago. People care about rampant cheating by those whose job it is to STOP cheating. By conveniently ignoring this issue, you are only reinforcing the belief that CCP has something to hide.

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Originally by: MessiahOfLight

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hm... are there People here, who actually take the possibility into consideration, that maybe ... just MAYBE there were no T2 BPOs given out to BOB by any DEV GM or whatever?

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Originally by: Ab Initio

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I said I wouldn't post again, but this is a fair enough point to respond to. I do understand your point of view, but you also need to understand ours.

On one side we have those that have decided to wait for real proof before crucifying us for our alleged trangressions. Innocent until proven guilty. On the other side, we have the hate mongerers that we generally have a history with ingame, who have decided we need to burn no matter what the outcome of the investigation.

You're asking what proof we have that we are innocent, again, guilty until proven innocent. Now due to completely unproven allegations by some random lowlife, and the inability for CCP to make a clear statement about the matter, we won't ever be vindicated. You think you're annoyed about one BoB member getting frustrated, try having a community burning your alliance at the stake because of unproven allegations towards < 5 members.

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Originally by: Ab Initio

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No. I don't view a developer using a standard account, any differently to anyone else using a standard account. The only thing I see as being a possible problem is a superior understanding of game mechanics, and tbh I think there are people in the community who know more than the devs :P

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Originally by: Sinlare

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Indeed, grats to all paranoid whiners! you've ruined someone's fun in real life. Hope you sleep well at night.

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Originally by: Ab Initio

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People seem to focus on "devs" so much that they forget that they're actual people. People are cheering because (according to the OP) 3 years vets of the game are being forced to quit, not because they did anything wrong, but because they were named.

Imagine you had been playing EVE for 3 years, and suddenly had to quit the game through no fault of your own. That's the outcome of witch hunts.

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Originally by: Sinlare

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*snip* - Cortes You really want to ruin someone's real life over accusations (random) based on some internet game?
*snip* - Cortes

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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I was sworn to secrecy by CCP.

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Originally by: Jane Spondogolo

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I can see CCP are stuck somewhere between a rock and a hard place on the issue. I'd highly doubt it possible to 'fire' or substantially 'discipline' an employee based on the claims of a hacker. A court would not accept it on the grounds that if it was 'dishonestly' obtained info, then its *legally* dishonest info, and if said employee appealed to a court on unfair dismissal, he'd win hands down.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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I was sworn to secrecy by CCP.

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Originally by: Sinlare

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Good to know that even in real life you support criminals.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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I was sworn to secrecy by CCP.

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Originally by: Avon

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Originally by: Avon

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This thread is a fine example of what is wrong with mob mentality.
It doesn't matter what the facts are, or how they are phrased, people will believe what they want to believe.

CCP: "CCP have players in many alliances"
Witch Hunters: Yeah, but we are only interested in BoB witches. Clearly a Dev in BoB must be corrupt. It is obvious.

Hacker: A character who I think is a dev gave BoB some T2 BPO's.
Witch Hunters: Yeah, well, obviously the Dev cheated to create the BPO's, or coded the lottery in shuch a way that he would win. Stands to reason. I mean, we all know that the lottery is unfair because *I* have never had a BPO, so it is obvious the Devs cheat.

Hypothetical CCP announcement: "We looked in to the BPO thingy, and nothing unfair happened. The Dev in question legitimately aquired the BPO's on his player account."
Witch Hunters: Yeah, well, you would say that. It is a cover-up. We know that it was all cheating and h4x. Ban BoB, fire the Devs, turn the servers off!!

Hypothetical CCP announcement: "We looked in to the BPO thingy, and a Dev was a naughty boy."
Witch Hunters: Ah-ha! We knew it. BoB can't be trusted. The CCP can't be trusted. Ban BoB, fire the Devs, turn the servers off!

Meanwhile, back in the real world:
Devs are losing player characters because they got IP matched on a third party website.
CCP are losing reputation because people want to believe a conspiracy.
The playerbase becomes increasingly paranoid.

The whole community is going to hell, and for what?

If you believe all this stuff, fine.
I know nothing I say will change that.
Just leave.


This whole thing has saddened me to be honest.
Not the accusations, they are nothing unusual; but the community reaction to them.

This whole episode tarnishes the image of CCP, of BoB (not that we didn't have a bad image anyway), but mostly of the community.

Sad times.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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I was sworn to secrecy by CCP.

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Originally by: Sinlare

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The philosophy of both entities doesn't even come close.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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I was sworn to secrecy by CCP.

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Originally by: Sinlare

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Kugutsumen will always be more in the wrong then any dev, since he's the one sporting illegal methods.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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I was sworn to secrecy by CCP.

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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I was sworn to secrecy by CCP.

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